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Jan 10, 2006

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numquamsatis

Hello Stephen,
I think I see your point. It's a constant mystery for modern times, i.e. from Renaissance onwards, that Church still needs monks and monasteries who, hidden from the curious and sometimes malicious eyes of the world, seem to make no visible transformation of the more and more secularised society. Do monks escape from the world? In a sense, yes: they separate themselves from the distractions to give sole attention to God. Do they love less the world? I don't think so. If they truly love God, they must love God's creation, they must pray for the salvation of souls.

I'm not saying LC is modern day Benedictines (though I hope they would eventually replace modern day Jesuits...) and the comparaison is not perfect. I agree with you that Catholic presence in the society is important: White House, Supreme Court, Universities, Hollywood and internet. But perhaps a good Catholic University is something like an oasis for tired travellers in the midst of the desert of culture of death. What do you think?

pazdziernik

The article is clear that the European University of Rome "is administered by the Legionaries of Christ. The new institution has civil recognition and began courses in October with three schools: in law, historical sciences and psychology." Lay people (99.9 % of Catholics) will attend and benefit. It is strange that you would categorize this new educational effort as a "clerical institution."

"The brightest Catholic scholars" are indeed encouraged at many levels "the institutions that already exist." However, they are often met with rejection because of their fidelity to the Magisterium of the Church. Their frustration and lack of jobs lead then to look elsewhere and even for new institutions.

Also, several of your facts are wrong:
1. Regnum Christi is an apostolic movement, not a "lay association." It is in the same category as other movemenats such as Communion and Liberation. All should be held in esteem and work together with their specific charism. Remember, Dominicans are not Franciscans, Franciscans are not Jesuits. Jesuits are not Missionaries of Charity, and on and on...

2. The Legion of Christ is a Religious Congregation, not a "religious order." The Order of Preachers, the Dominicans, are an example of a "religious order." So are the Franciscans: Order of Friars Minor

Stephen

Thanks for visiting my site paz. First, I want to make clear that I am not suggesting anything negative about Regnum Christ by posting my question. I am, however, raising the question (open to discussion) as to whether there is a need for another Catholic University as such. I suggest it's clerical, because in the end, it is an apostolate of the Legion of Christ. That is, it is clerical as opposed to secular . . . maybe there is another word that is more appropriate to you, such as "religious".

Second, I understand what the goals of a Catholic University are. I graduate from one (Notre Dame) and I spent a lot of time while a student and now as an alumni asking the questions of the purpose and reason for a Catholic University.

Third, my term lay association may have been incorrect, but just to be clear, so is "apostolic movement". That is a term used (invented?) by the Legion of Christ (not implying anything negative, just stating a fact). The Church in her decree regarding Regnum Christi calls it "the specific apostolic instrument of the Legion of Christ". It is referred to as a Movement because this is the term for all of these new realities in the Church which have sprung forth since the second vatican council. The Blue Army is also called a movement, and the Ecclesial Carmelite Movement as well. However, they are a little different from the Neocatechumenal Way, Foccolare, and Communion and Liberation in the sense that these three movements (and there are undoubtedly others) have given rise to a new reality in the Church of a community of believers who are not attached in structural way to either a religious order, relgious congregation (like the Third Order Dominicans or, I would suggest, the Legion of Christ) nor are they particularly associated with a diocese. By the way, I have zero problem remembering that Dominicans are not Franciscans, etc. etc.

Finally, tbe term religious order is the general term for communities of priests or religious brothers or religious women. I don't even know if there is a "distinction" in respect to what the Church calls them. Once upon a time I was a seminarian for the "Congregation of Holy Cross" which was/is referred to, even among themselves, as a religious order. I would be interested if you could point me to something that distinguishes and characterizes the difference. I understand that the Franciscans and Dominicans have "ordo" in their names . . . but if you know of a document (from the Church, for example from the Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life

pazdziernik

Funny, "if you know of a document..." sounds to me like "cough up a verse" from "Bible-only" Christians. Ha. Ha.

1. Regnum Christi along with CL and others are indeed Ecclesial Movements. I know the term "religious order" is used broadly but it is most often used inaccurately. Perhaps because "those who should know better" don't want to explain the distinction to others. The new Ecclesial Movements "fall under" the Pontifical Council for the Laity. In fact, they all met with John Paull II in Rome on May 31,1998 in which he said that they were "mature." (Opus Dei, for example, was not included because they are a personal prelature, not an ecclesial movement.)

2. Religious Orders follow a rule, e.g. "Rule of St. Benedict". Religious congregations, e.g. the Society of Jesus, Legion of Christ etc, have a constitution rather than a Rule.

Stephen

Regnum Christi is not under the Pontifical Council for the Laity.

pazdziernik

Sure, on Nov 26, 2004 the statutes of RC were approved by the Pope: "Its specific charism is the same as that of the Legion of Christ. It consists in knowing, living and preaching the commandment of love that Jesus Christ the Redeemer came to bring us by his incarnation. Well known, in fact, is the work carried out by the Legionaries of Christ and the members of the Regnum Christi Apostolic Movement in building the civilization of Christian justice and love.”

Thanks. I stand corrected. RC is under The Congregation for the Institutes of Consecrated Life and the Societies of Apostolic Life. The 1998 Pentecost meeting of all Apostolic Movements in Rome was simply sponsored by the Pontifical Council for the Laity. RC has priests, consecrated men and women, and non-consecrated laity (the majority).

The point is that RC, CL and others are all "Apostolic Movements" as defined (decreed?) by the Holy See.

pazdziernik

Have you heard about the new "non clerical" institution: John Paul The Great University in San Diego, CA? They are going to focus on the media, etc.

www.jpcatholic.com

exLC

For detailed information abou the LC/RC from former members visit the REGAIN website at:
www.regainnetwork.org

Brenden

The Legion of Christ is what their name implies; a cult, in the most pejorative sense of the word.

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